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"When
we first met Gibb, we met him through John Sinclair and Wayne Kramer and
Rob Tyner, and the first time we met him was at the [Detroit] Artists'
Workshop."
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For
his part, Gibb remembers seeing MC5 in Beatles-esque outfits upon their
first meeting, an example of how far the group had yet to travel stylistically.
Gibb had a notion to pattern the Grande
Ballroom after the Avalon and the Fillmore; as with those West Coast
venues, he wanted the Detroit venue to feature a group that could anchor
shows and open for visiting acts. Though the group would appear at a variety
of venues - from gymnasiums to teen clubs to armories - the Grande would
become closely associated with the band. The job would require some stamina,
as Thompson remembered.
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![]() ![]() Becky Tyner, who had married Rob in 1966, recently recalled the vocalist's introduction to Sinclair in about 1967, "I think (Sinclair) was writing for the Fifth Estate, and Rob kind of rebutted some of the things he was having to say, and Rob became acquainted with John." By the late 1960s Sinclair was promoting himself as a self-styled leader within the youth movement, similar to such other mouthpieces as Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. Sinclair's vehicle was the Trans-Love/White Panthers coalition, an ersatz multicultural experiment that included at center the members of MC5, some along for the ride despite differences with Sinclair's brand of politics. Though these Panthers were advertised as an open, pro-equality aggregation, many women involved (including Becky, one of those who designed stage costumes for the group) felt it to be more of a boys' club atmosphere, and the distribution of wealth was sometimes questioned. Sinclair's artistic talents and business acumen certainly did provide a good match for the group, but other pursuits often took precedence. Thompson noted fundamental disagreement with the politics that distracted from the music that MC5 was striving to produce. |
"I'll
tell you this personally: I was the only one in the band that resisted
the activities of Mr. Sinclair, because I did not want our band to be
involved in the politics. I don't want to wave the flag saying, 'Let's
go smoke marijuana, let's do LSD, let's fuck in the street.' That wasn't
the MC5. The real MC5 was about playing good rock'n'roll. Trying to be
better than The Who, The Rolling Stones, and The Kinks together."
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The
association with Sinclair led to MC5 being the only group to perform at
the ill-fated demonstration at the 1968
Democratic National Convention in Chicago, making a hasty exit just
before many in the crowd were brutally attacked by Chicago police. The
experience had a sobering effect upon the band and diminished some of
the revolutionary zeal in the Panthers camp as well.
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"That
was the day the revolution ended," Thompson recalled. "We were
nonviolent. We had nothing to do with that. We wanted to be a good - a
very good - rock'n'roll band. That's all we wanted. But we hooked up with
Sinclair, and vis-à-vis Sinclair and his network of Jerry Rubin
and [others] became involved in politics. And unfortunately, that was
our demise, because politics - you can't play rock'n'roll and do music
and be at the head of the podium. You can't preach, be a preacher, or
neither can you be a politician. Music is an art form."
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![]() The title of the song "Kick Out The Jams" originated from MC5's exhortations to visiting English groups at the Grande to put more energy into their performance, as the home team more often than not would steal the show with their own brute power. The result of an Elektra scouting trip to Michigan (which also netted the label The Stooges), the live LP of the same title would be recorded on the final two days of October 1968, the Zenta New Year, at the Grande. The original release of the LP included a gatefold cover, with essential liner notes by Sinclair, as well as Tyner's uncut introduction to the title cut ("Kick Out The Jams, Motherfuckers!"). Though the LP would reach #30 on the charts, the diatribes of Sinclair and (especially) the 13-letter expletive found many retailers refusing to carry the record. Elektra had to somehow salvage its investment, deciding to reedit the track. In a 1988 radio interview taped on the Sonic Rendezvous show on the 20th anniversary of the Jams concert recording, Tyner told host Steve Kostan of how Elektra attempted to dilute the lyric content, regardless of the vocalist's disagreement over the issue. |
"What
happened was, while I was doing some minor overdubs, they said 'While
you're doing this, Rob - just a favor - why don't you just for radio purposes...
why don't you just yell out, 'Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters?'
Next thing I know, they pulled off the original [version] and put on the
'brothers and sisters' thing, and then they took the liner notes off and
they stopped making the gatefold. What happened was, they were trying
to take the edge off the switchblade of rock'n'roll."
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The
"Kick Out The Jams"/"Motor
City Is Burning" single (Elektra
45648) featured the censored version of the album's title song. Allegedly,
a record company executive had been the one to originally suggest the
group to use the unexpurgated introduction! (Oddly, it seems no one had
the notion to simply remove the offending word from the master).
The controversy resulted in the LP being pressed in both unedited and censored versions, with and without a gatefold (and the liner notes). Copies were also released on both red and gold labels. An unedited CD release 20 years later also included perceptive liner notes written by Tyner. A passion for the urgency and emotional potential of music was shared by the group, a quality that had attracted both Sinclair and Gibb. Years after the breakup of MC5, Smith would recall an anecdote about Tyner showing how his expression would manifest itself at the most unusual time. |
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Back
In The U.S.A. - the first studio LP for MC5 - was a challenging
learning experience for the group. Having been dropped by Elektra after
the controversy over "Jams" and the unauthorized use
of the label's logo in protesting the refusal if the local Hudson's
retail chain to carry the live LP, MC5 were in dire straits financially
and began to sense some backlash from their fan base. Though a deal with
Atlantic would eventually be inked, supposedly for $100,000, problems
continued. Mentor Sinclair, subject of frequent police harassment for
some time, was going to prison for the "crime" of marijuana
possession; further, Atlantic seemed ill-prepared to handle a rock group
with the reputation and drive of MC5.
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Kramer
vividly recalled the U.S.A. period as one fraught with distractions.
"That was a tough time for the MC5. That was the point that we were
really struggling, on a personal and business level. You know, John Sinclair
had been sent to prison
right in the midst of the whole process of recording. Business-wise, we
didn't know where our next deal was coming from; we couldn't get any bookings.
Our fan base - our constituents - had all turned against us and accused
us of selling out and being 'lackeys for the pig culture.' It was a very
difficult time for the band, so I'm not surprised that the record came
out without a clear [focus]."
![]() "We lived in Hamburg Mich., which is a little German farming community, and Landau had us running, like 10 laps around our circle drive, right? Eating a high-protein diet. Well, he was trying to cure us. Before we'd get up in the morning, he'd already blasted through The New York Times and did the crossword puzzle." "Before the band became politically evolved, we were more or less a drug-free band, and you can tell the difference if you're aware of the early MC5.... We got deeper and deeper into the quagmire, and the music suffered as a result." ![]() With a quirky song selection, U.S.A. included both some of the best of MC5, as well as choices that seemed intended to gain more of a pop crossover audience. The loud and revolutionary rock, R&B and free-jazz workouts with which the group had become associated were now glossed over at times with a kind of AM radio-style pop feel, evident on many of the tracks on U.S.A. This was not the relentless fire-and-brimstone of the Jams live set, as Thompson pointed out. "As a result, our second album came out and it confused our first round of our audience - it was confusing. [Initially] we were this sort of rebellious pirate crew, and now all of a sudden we're tight... that sort of caused a bit of a fracture amongst our capabilities of climbing the charts again. Kick Out The Jams went to #30 in the nation, and went to #1 in many cities as a single. The follow-up single, which was 'Tonight,' off the second record, just wasn't the Five. A little bit of that piracy, but tight and just like you play nowadays." ![]() "The way we played on High Time it should have been the second album. [U.S.A.] almost went to bubblegum for the 5. Had we played more on [U.S.A.] like we played on our third album, we wouldn't have lost our continuity with our audience. We overcompensated, and that was Landau and our combined naiveté." Though U.S.A. includes some of the group's best work, including "Shakin' Street," "Tonight" and a re-recorded "Looking At you," the inconsistencies of the LP as a whole were part of the learning curve of a young band, Kramer noted. |
"You
know, the only studio work we had done up to that point had been two or
three odd single sessions. [Some claimed] U.S.A. was too clamped-down
or it was trying to turn the MC5 into The Monkees. All these pundits.
I mean, there's a thousand versions of what happened with that record.
None of them mean anything, really."
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High
Time, the band's third LP, would follow in 1971, again released
by Atlantic. More cohesive than its predecessor, High Time allowed
the band a chance to put past lessons into use, resulting in an LP that
combined older, energetic principles with a new sophistication, as Kramer
pointed out.
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"By
the time we got to High Time, we'd learned enough about the process
of recording that we could really be ourselves. Sometimes you have to
go back to a real fundamental point in your learning how to swim to correct
that defect. In a lot of ways, that's what the MC5 did with Back In
The U.S.A. We had to go back and correct some fundamental defects,
so that when we got to the point of making High Time we were able
to do what it is we do, and we were able to swim a good race on that record."
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![]() During 1972 the group looked toward the hope of a new audience, touring Europe and picking up British bassist Steve Moorhouse, fulfilling the vacancy left by a departed Davis, whose split with the band would become one of the circumstances leading to MC5's dissolution later that year. The final studio recordings of the European tenure have never been officially released, though the March 1972 Herouville Castle studio set has been bootlegged as Thunder Express. European television performance footage from the period shows the group still in strong form, though Moorhouse appears slightly ill at ease; he was strictly a short-term replacement, as MC5 disbanded later in 1972. |
![]() In the mid-1970s a variety of British bands would cite MC5 as a key influence for the high-energy antics associated with the punk movement. Tyner had a unique opportunity to view the nascent scene firsthand and comment upon the next generation for the New Musical Express, a successful effort that developed friendships that would later allow Tyner the opportunity to pen the expressive liner notes for the CD reissue of Kick Out The Jams, as Becky Tyner recalled. "Rob met Howard Thompson in England. He was asked to come over, and he wrote an article for the NME on punk music. He was just so delighted to be in England, and he spent a lot of time with the Sex Pistols and The Clash and a lot of those folks. While there he recorded a single with a group called Eddie And The Hot Rods. That was on Island Records, and Howard was the person that arranged and did that. They lost touch for a bit, and Howard began working at Elektra a number of years later - he and Rob were back in touch. As part of his work at Elektra, he took it upon himself to facilitate the reissue of the Kick Out The Jams record.... he invited [Rob] to do the liner notes." |
During
the 1980s, Rob Tyner also assumed a production role on a single ("R.U.N.")
by the Detroit-based Vertical Pillows, then one of the few all-female
groups in the local scene and one that loudly bore allegiance to the Detroit
rock tradition. Tyner would occasionally perform five-song MC5 sets with
the Pillows at local shows, usually unannounced. Among other efforts were
the sporadic concerts held to benefit military veterans; though Tyner
and MC5 had expressed disagreement with the policies of the Vietnam conflict,
Tyner remained actively supportive of the veterans up to the time of his
death in 1991.
One of radio host Steve Kostan's fondest memories is performing on stage with Rob at one such event, though nearly getting hit by the singer's flying microphone! "He was generous - just a great guy," Kostan recalled. Tyner's final recorded effort was the Bloodbrothers album, recorded with the group Weapons and bringing Tyner's high-energy tendencies into a more heavy metal-styles approach. Conversely, the LP also featured the song "Grande Days," a nostalgic tribute to the rock ballroom that MC5 had made into their own domain and a fitting song for his final recording. |
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![]() Nearly three decades after the breakup of MC5, the group's fan base continues to grow, with many younger followers born long after the demise of the band. Previously unreleased recordings (many of which are unauthorized), new recording projects and tours and a growing number of Internet web sites all feed interest in MC5. Until recently, John Griffin's celebratory MC5 tribute program on Ann Arbor's WCBN-FM had been a lifeline to area fans and Internet habitués alike, airing hours of rare MC5 music and interviews on the University Of Michigan station. Though the show is presently on hiatus, its summer 1999 programs had featured in-studio guests and interviewees such as Sinclair, Gibb, Scott Morgan, Dick Wagner, and ex-White Panther Hiawatha Bailey. |
Over
the past few years, the Chicago-based film production team of Future/Now
has effectively become the prime repository of archival MC5 film, audio
and video, integral with their continuing efforts toward completion of
a feature documentary about the group. The film, A True Testimonial,
has been in production for some time, adding new interview footage with
MC5 members and intimates and testimonials from fellow musicians attesting
to the widespread influence of the group. Director David Thomas and producer
Laurel Legler have been working on all aspects of their labor of love,
including efforts toward gaining funding trough occasional grant money
and donations in exchange for MC5 merchandise. A six-minute teaser trailer
has been previewed to great receptions at music festivals and award shows,
Thomas pointed out, and includes footage from the notorious 1968 Chicago
show. The company's web site is an essential stop for information on MC5. |
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